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15 Aug 2006 Tue 02:21 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: wasseem, why bother me giving only one bedoins example that use coverings to save themselves from the sand that stirred up by the wind? they dont wear those coverings coz they were given such religous orders. waseem, i wasnt born today, i know the life of those women.
mrx, i would argue u, but i wont!
honestly? i know why some women would want to wear such blankets even at such hot temperature. its smth that european women cant figure out, simply they dont know the family life as closer as eastern women like me, and they support the 'religion freedom' idea, having no clue wots beneath that, namely a pressure in a 'holy' family. (actually i face it in every religous ppl be it christian or muslim).
back to the subject, they were brought up so since their birth, and they wanna be seen as good submissive women, they r encouraged to do this in their families. those women who took part in the demonstraions against the 'scarf prohibition' been seen in their families as heros and treated with more respect. its kinda play that i cant accept.
indisputably, i love freedom, freedom of belief and etc! i cant imagine we go back when we just reached the level of open discussions. we cant enjoy so called belief freedom closing our eyes on 'women slavery'. i will not pretend as if its okay knowing the tragedy of those women all over the world! |
dear friends
i am a muslim girl from libya , i proudly wear head scarf with my own will , none forced me to wear or i didnt feel like it is unfair order from god , and i dont feel like it is so unjustice to me and to my freedom.
as a muslim allah gave all the freedom that i want and it is all in holy quran and i am so thankful to him cuase allah never treat women like slaves ever.
here in libya there are so many muslim girls dont wear head scarfs( or so many of you who called them blankets)and dont wear face covers cuase in islam ther is no single phrase in holy quarn that orders girls to wear face covers but some women (especially very preety women or married in some countries like saudi arabia wear it (in libya we dont wear them ) cuase they have the freedom to do what they want and there is a phrase in holy quarn has the meaning of that none is forced to do anything every one knows their best (sorry i dont have the english translation of the phrase ).
i feel hot somedays thats right but i am doing what allah told me so i feel happy and i feel safe like any other person who is not muslim and do some certain thing in his relegion.
and i think i am so special to be a muslim girl wering a head scarf .
at the end i respect all views of point of all of you .
have a nice day.
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15 Aug 2006 Tue 02:30 pm |
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belief freedom one of the most important human rights,but pity some people so like to say many things about others by don't ask em once question even,how we can fix the problems with stick prejudicies?isn't better to say i respect ur all in the rules and isn't better to be watcher on everywhere belief freedom ??thats one of reality human history,that men mostly dominant on women,east or west,never matter,Just we all need more tolerance ,and more understanding without judge each other about our belifes or wearing styles.everything will be nicer when we creat more common sides for share this wonderfull globe
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15 Aug 2006 Tue 02:34 pm |
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and today is a great opportunity for open a new white page on life notebook,far away from all prejudicies of past and support of more tolerance,peace,respect,love and friendship.Life is a sweet guesthome and we all just guests,so who can say i'm once owner of this great guesthome?
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15 Aug 2006 Tue 02:51 pm |
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whats meaning of life for men without women and whats meaning for women without men?so aren't we all need each other,so why this rivalary or quarrels?a bit more understanding ,a bit more tolerance,so usefull for creat a paradise world and more eqaulity
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15 Aug 2006 Tue 05:17 pm |
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dear hanan,
You need to taste the freedom to be able to recognize limitation and restraint. At the end of the day the issue is not whether you've been forced to wear the hijab or not, you probably haven't had the choice here. Was there a time in your life when you wore no scarf? By own choice? Do other women in your family wear the hijab? The pressure on women is subtle and comes in many forms. Do try to defy the social norms and see what happens.. And fyi, Saudi Arabia is not exactly a heaven for women, no women suffrage there.
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15 Aug 2006 Tue 05:27 pm |
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Quote: whats meaning of life for men without women and whats meaning for women without men?so aren't we all need each other,so why this rivalary or quarrels?a bit more understanding ,a bit more tolerance,so usefull for creat a paradise world and more eqaulity
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Afferin sana, Ayhan!  usually men dont accept it that they cannot survive without women 
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15 Aug 2006 Tue 06:29 pm |
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I agree, I don't believe that it is the woman's choice whether she wishes to wear the scarf or not. It has nothing to do with slavery or whatever...it is just her personal choice.
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16 Aug 2006 Wed 12:37 am |
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Quoting gorcvet: dear hanan,
You need to taste the freedom to be able to recognize limitation and restraint. At the end of the day the issue is not whether you've been forced to wear the hijab or not, you probably haven't had the choice here. Was there a time in your life when you wore no scarf? By own choice? Do other women in your family wear the hijab? The pressure on women is subtle and comes in many forms. Do try to defy the social norms and see what happens.. And fyi, Saudi Arabia is not exactly a heaven for women, no women suffrage there.
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İ didn't want to join this discussion at first,because it is sort of subjects,you should see for yourself not to be told,especially,when there is already a general idea ,maybe a little bit different from everyone to the other,
But there is a general idea is already their in most of the Western's minds,and you can see this even from the earlier posts
But at same time,i figure,maybe some,or most won't have the chance to see with their own eyes,what would make them change their idea
So,i would like to share with you another point of view,or in our case another reality,and maybe when you see in real,you would be able to judge with yourselves,without anyone telling you anything
Hijab,or wearing a scarf is a matter of obeying ALLAH in İslam, Hijab,or scarf is something written in Quran,ALLAH asking women to cover their hair
As it is written too not to lie and not to steal...ect
As many things too written in other Holy books,from God asking Human to do
But in the end its Human's choice whether to obey God or not,and it is his own responsibility infront of God
As in Quran ,or Bible or other Holy books ,it is written not to lie,but you can find some Muslims,and some Christians people who lies, so it is their choice not to obey God ,
Same in every religion
İ don't know why you all talking about Saudi Arabia ,or İran as examples for the İslamic countries ?
What is happening is Saudi Arabia and İran,more traditions than İslams rules
İ dare any Muslim to find something written in Quran,ordering women to cover their faces and wear black clothes !
They won't find any
There are so many İslamic countries as well,beside Saudi Arabia ,or İran,and you can see and watch Muslim womens there and how they are equal to men in every thing,in work too and salaries
İ will talk about what we have here in Egypt,
Definitely it is a woman choice to wear hijab or not
Even it is order from ALLAH,but women have their own mind and choice whether to obey ALLAH or not,they are more than capable of taking this decision
No one can force women to wear or not,not the family,not a husband
Except if woman chose to marry someone got this kind of thinking to try to force his opinions on his wife
And i believe those kind of men not only in Muslims countries,but they are all over the world,try to control women too
But my opinion,it is the women mistake to chose such a person then come and cry over the spelt milk !
And as you said in your post,we have the freedom to make such decision
İ for myself,took that decision of wearing the scarf,but was not at early age
İ remember when i was teens,i got this idea to wear it,and my parents were against me,
They thought i am too young to wear it,but it was up to me,they cann't force me both way
And later on,after few years,i wear it,why not,if i can wear it,and obey ALLAH and at same time enjoying myself too
And have every right as same as any woman not putting scarf on her head without any limitation and restraint as you just post it ?
Why do you think or see it as women suffering from limitation and restraint,if they choose to wear a scarf ?
İsn't freedom to have the ability to make a decision ?
Why don't you see that we actually took that decision without forcing ?
Look at most of the posts up there,you would just see one thing
You just cann't accept a woman choice of putting a scarf on her head,and you see it that she must've been forced on doing this,You don't think any woman would actually want to do this !
İt is limitation to think this way,it is drain of women's freedom not to accept their decisions on even covering their heads or not !
Don't you see that ??
İs this the freedom as you see it ?
İ work,i have my own car,i have my own home,i have a steady income as same as any man at my job,i am an accountant by the way,i have fun,i go to the club,i dance ,i go to the Pool at ladies day ,i was playing Tennis too but that was long time ago,i guess i forgot it by now,,lol
İ go to the beach,but i wear a long swim suit
İ ride bicycles,i wanted to ride hours too but i found it very big for me,i kind of got scared,,lol
But i will do it someday soon inşallah
İ live,and i have fun too,thank ALLAH for that
İ can do and have whatever i want,and obey ALLAH wearing a scarf too
, so ?
Where is the problem ??!!
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16 Aug 2006 Wed 01:11 am |
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TURKEY IS BEAUTIFULL, THEY HAVE VERY STRONG VALUES, AND VERY LONG AND STRONG HISTORY, PEOPLES ARE VERY GOOD AND VERY CO-OPERATIVE, ITS WORTH VISITING TURKEY, WHEN EVER I AM IN TURKEY I FEEL LIKE HOME.
HEY HAVE FAMILY BINDINGS AND RESPECT FOR ELDERS.
LONG LIVE TURKEY.........
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16 Aug 2006 Wed 01:28 am |
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Please think again ,please dont have an idea without have any knowladge.Turkey is different then Irag Iran and others , its
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16 Aug 2006 Wed 03:34 pm |
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most of Turkish women have suffer so much but i believe that they r mostly more thxfull to God and happier with simple reasons then the women who have more comfortable life....
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